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Welcome All.

This journal is getting a lot of attention for last night's post. I just want to affirm, since it's been asked, that anyone and everyone can add me to their friends list. My own policy for adding others to my own list is pretty haphazard, so don't worry if I don't add you back immediately or at all. And regardless, I don't do locked entries very often.

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Dude, you're now a web celebrity!

Really mighty posting there. I hope ire has been sufficiently vented & that J is ok.

For what it's worth, Tablesaw, I'm discouraging people from wearing buttons at Conorado unless they are Treesong.

Thank you!!!

And Treesong does NOT get to wear a green one.

This is actually the first I've heard of the whole debacle (shame on me for taking a day off the Internetz!) and I still haven't fully formed thoughts around the whole thing and am playing catch-up. That said, I appreciate the way you dealt with the situation and the comments you made.

Yeah, I'm gonna friend you because you made a hell of a lot more sense in response to

the_ferrett's post than I would have been able to, and I want to learn how to do that. :)

Thanks, again.

Since he has apparently disabled comments, I was going to say this to you:

So what does that mean here? It means that if this was really a movement focused around women respecting their own bodies and the bodies of other women, you probably shouldn't have taken it upon yourself to explain it to the internet. And that when you did explain it to the internet, you probably should have realized that your own personal point of view is very much not representative of what happened and was, in some ways, counterproductive to what happened. And that when people started calling you on this shit—including other people who were there and very clearly had a different experience from yours—you should probably have taken a step back and looked at what you wrote from their eyes, instead of blaming readers for seeing what you wrote, even though you didn't realize that's what you were writing.

Women's breasts are not magical devices for healing straight men's psyches. Women's bodies do not exist to make straight men feel better about themselves. Women have their own shit to deal with, and a lot of the time, that shit is us, even (sometimes especially) when we're trying to do better. And trying to be the spokesperson for a movement without acknowledging, accepting, and fucking dealing with your position of power is just working at crosspurposes to that same movement.

These two passages have me nearly in tears because I'm so relieved that someone else, particularly someone male, gets this and it taking so much time to break it down in such detail even in the face of such determined hardheadnedness from the original poster. You have done a fantastic job of detailing how problematic this post is both in its presentation and its assumptions.

Reading your userinfo, I see you're engaged, which is too bad for me as otherwise I might have driven down to LA to propose to you immediately, even though we don't know each other.

THANK YOU.

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I have a fairly conservative friending-policy for myself, as I dislike getting my friends list so big that it is impossible to read and to feel like I know the people whom I'm connected to. But I do plan to read a bit, and may friend. My LJ is mostly friends-only but I did put up a public response myself.

Holy shit, dude, did you (please please say yes) save a copy of your analysis? Because he's disappeared all the comments on the OP.

I didn't, and I feel a little silly. I had a scratch pad with a near draft, but didn't worry about saving it, because I knew that he had never shut down discussion like this.

I've e-mailed him about the comments. LJ doesn't let a user freeze the entirety of the comments section, which is what he apparently wants to do. Hopefully, he'll get his act together soon.

Woww. Fucking fuck.

Yeah, you can't use their mass-action tool to freeze comments -- I d'know why -- just screen and delete. Someone outlined a pretty good solution (freeze manually, set original post to screened comments thereafter) but I doubt he'll do it (has no time, &c).

Wow. I mean, hell, I've seen people yank the plug on elljay discussions before, sure, but never one that big.

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pixelfish is telling me, if you have comment notification emails enabled, and other people responded to your comments, you may be able to at least reconstruct them from emails? (If you wanted to -- it would just be a shame to lose that argument, esp since the original post is still up there, just now without any other voices. Gahh.)

-- As pixelfish is telling me, if you have comment notification emails enabled, and other people responded to your comments, you may be able to at least reconstruct them from emails? (If you wanted to -- it would just be a shame to lose that argument, esp since the original post is still up there, just now without any other voices. Gahh.)

I just woke up realizing the same thing. But it looks like the comments are back, so it won't be necessary.

I thought you might like to know that comments have reappeared on the thread at

theferrett's LJ.

And then I wanted to say thank you for writing what you did, for deconstructing his post in the way you did. (And if that's an example of you when you are sleep deprived, I think I'm going to be in total awe of you when you are on your game.)

You have no idea what Tablesaw is capable of. =)

This is why we love him. (T give J a hug for me).

I know you've seen me at the top of my game. But ironically, that's often when I'm also sleep-deprived. Maybe there is a fundamental connection there.

I just want to jump on the bandwagon and tell you how totally awesome your comments were. I don't want to be one of those women who get all "OMG a MAN being FEMINIST!?!?!" but um, I've been exposed recently to a lot of really unfeminist behavior from men, and it was a real refresher to see such an educated, informed, and well-written opinion coming from a male voice. So thanks for that.

*waves* Yet another person over from

the_ferrett's giant Boob War O' Doom. I didn't hit over there until he'd already put all his edits up, and I read those first. And I thought, "This guy seems sane. What's all the hullabaloo?" And then I read the original post, and have never felt so incredibly creeped out and vaguely ill in my life.

It wasn't until I read your post, dissecting why his post was so seriously screwed up, that I understood. Once understood, I could take a deep breath and stop feeling like a rape victim. (Good god, my own emotional response threw me for a loop. :P) So--thank you. Your dissection is hugely appreciated, not for what it did for his writing, but for giving me some mental clarity so I could set it aside. I'm sure I'll be adding you to my flist. At least until I forget who you are and why you're on there, and then I'll cut again. *laughs*

JB

I'm sure I'll be adding you to my flist. At least until I forget who you are and why you're on there, and then I'll cut again.

It's the ciiiiircle of LJife . . .

Jumping, myself, on the belivejournalfriending wagon.

You're amazingly articulate, and I appreciate the hell out of your close reading. As in, I want to send you cookies and postcards of appreciation.

I just wanted to pop over and commend you for showing the world that not all men are louts.

Your arguments were well-reasoned and hopefully struck a chord.

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